My Fellow Humans
My Fellow Humans
27: Restoring Bankrupt Trust ~ A Road to Relationship Recovery
Who knew that trust could be so similar to constructing a house? This episode takes you on a journey, brick by brick, room by room, through the intricate process of building and maintaining trust. The conversation is as much philosophical as it is practical, as we explore the various pieces that make up the structure of trust, and how storms of life can sometimes cause damage. But, just like a well-built house, trust can weather many a storm if built right, and even when it gets damaged, it can be rebuilt, though the process might be hard.
Our conversation gets personal as we delve into our own experiences of trust - the triumphs, the devastations, and the rebuilding. While trust is the currency of relationships, broken trust can leave you bankrupt. Yet, there is hope. We explore how trust can be restored through open communication, self-evaluation, and wisdom drawn from the book of Proverbs. So, whether you're in the process of building trust, or in the throes of rebuilding, this episode offers a fresh perspective and practical insights.
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I agree with that. I think that the cases in which the house cannot be rebuilt or the trust cannot be restored is when one party is unwilling, like you said.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of my Fellow Humans. Here we have my mom and Josiah.
Speaker 1:Yep Mom is otherwise known as Lisa.
Speaker 2:And who are you? That's true, huh yeah, they don't know me. Who are you? I am Ben the one introducing. I got voted. You got voted so here I am.
Speaker 1:You got the six thumbs up.
Speaker 2:So what are we talking about today? Y'all.
Speaker 1:Well, today I guess we can do. We need to talk about our more, more, baddest Do you want to do more baddest, yeah, I like doing more baddest. Okay, because it's more about us.
Speaker 3:Okay, what's?
Speaker 1:your question. When you were growing up, what was your favorite item on a swing set? The swings, the slide, the monkey bars, any other kind of cool things that they had, maybe a playground? What was your favorite thing to play on on the playground? Definitely the swings, the swings. Yep, do they make you sick? No, they do. They didn't. Back then I know Same.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know what the heck happened. Yeah, major malfunction Right.
Speaker 3:No, I think mine is still the swings too. I mean I just, you know, it's always the funnest.
Speaker 2:I know it still makes me sick, but I still go on them.
Speaker 1:That's me. I 100% me too. Even with all the fun things that they have out there, the swings are still my favorites.
Speaker 2:I just didn't want to fall and break my arm as a kid. So I was like I can just do the swings. I just didn't want to run, I had friends that were more ballsy and then got hurt.
Speaker 1:You didn't trust the construction of the other parts of the swing set.
Speaker 3:I didn't trust it, just the swings. We didn't.
Speaker 1:Boom.
Speaker 3:Okay, so what's our topic?
Speaker 1:What's our topic today? That leaves us right to our topic today.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Ben what's our topic today? Does it it was your choice? Does it? Our topic is trust how to build it and how to maintain it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you were thinking of this topic, so what kind of did you have in mind?
Speaker 2:You mentioned a home, oh, a home Trust is a safe haven, and so I I correlated it with a home.
Speaker 1:You know home is where usually you can be safe.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you're not, depending on your life situation, but oftentimes trust is very important in relationship, so I wanted to talk about it and how to build it, because it's a big factor in interaction. Um, just, even if somebody you don't know, you don't trust them, you're not going to right, you're not going to really interact with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, um, yeah, so you've really likened the whole idea of trust to a house and I know you talked about there's many parts of the house. First of all, a house is supposed to keep you safe, and that's what trust does. But also it takes a process of carefully building the foundation and then constructing the trust, just like you have to carefully build a home. And then I know you also have talked about well, I also think about too. Sometimes when there's some storms that come or different things that come, or circumstances that happen, it can break down parts of the home or the trust and then that trust has to be rebuilt, and when you have to rebuild something, you either have to tear it down to the very bottom again or you have to.
Speaker 1:It takes time to build up a structure, to make it like it was, or usually even better than it was, which is really hard to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so anyway, first thing I'll say is well, trust is kind of like the metaphor of like having it as like a house is kind of true, because think about somebody knocking on your front door. It's like somebody, or maybe a friend that you've just barely gotten to know. I wouldn't say friend, but imagine just some person coming into your life. It's them knocking on the door of your life and then you kind of walk them through the stages of friendship and intimacy and it's like you're not going to take somebody you just took off the street and bring them into your house or into your bed, or let them open up your fridge and just eat whatever he wants and so generally.
Speaker 3:You want to build that trust so you let them into your front where you open the door for them. You start talking to them while they're at the door. So it's like giving them little pleasantries, like saying hello and goodbye type of deal. And then you let them into your front room and it's more just like, hey, how are you doing and actually getting to care about?
Speaker 3:somebody a little bit more, yeah, and then you let them into your living room to stay for a while and then continues on from there just letting them dinner and you know, maybe they're just going to chill at your house for the night because you've got they got nowhere else to go.
Speaker 1:Right. So I don't know. Yeah, that's good. That's another tag onto that analogy. So when you define trust, how do you define trust, ben?
Speaker 2:I define it as alleyways created to deeper connection.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Or deeper access, if you will. Okay, like I said, you pick somebody off from the street or you just don't know them. Everybody's high, everybody's tense, everything's a high standard, high risk, you know. But when you build that trust that creates a different interaction, it creates alleyways to kind of like affect the relationship. Sometimes we're better for worse.
Speaker 1:So so I say how do you define trust?
Speaker 3:Well, trust is the currency of relationships. I think it's just. Everything is based on trust. You know, mm-hmm, it's this. You know you make deposits and withdraws a lot. That's actually something my workplace said about when I did like this little workplace personality Corse thing that they had us go through. It's called the seven principles and it was one of the things was just being trust worthy. You know, and it's one of those things when you're just, you know, when you do couple, when you do things, you can either do withdrawals or Deposits and tier relationships, and that's generally the trust. So you have this trust savings account and you know, if, let's say, for some reason, you, you know, you just completely told an untrue to somebody that trust is a big, that that big, it's a big withdrawal essentially, and so yeah it's the I would say it's the currency of Relationships.
Speaker 1:So good currency of relationships. So I looked up the definition and it says the assured reliance on the character, ability, strength or truth of someone or something and, in particular, it uses this only in reference to God, but it's but I think it applies to people too. It says the definition is to have confidence in, and I think that's what trust really is. Trust is when you that's my definition is when you really rely on somebody and you Believe they are who they say they are and they're gonna do what they say they would do. So whether that's be faithful, whether that's be there for you and you need them, whether that's they're going to whatever it is, they're going to do what they said they would do and they are genuinely who they say that they are, and you know that they've always got your back. They're always looking for your best, and usually it's mutual. Hopefully it's mutual, it's designed to be mutual, and so that's how I would and you have complete.
Speaker 1:When you, when you trust, when you really trust somebody, you do have confidence in them. It's not like you're like, oh, I don't know if they're gonna whatever, you really do have the confidence that they're going to do Everything and be who they say they are. And so I think that's why it's such a shocker, why trust broken is such a major destroyer of Can be anyway, of a relationship, of a house. Because you are really vulnerable, you, when you really trust somebody, you it's like your neck is on the chopping block and you're trusting that they're going to do their part to Make sure that you're not harmed or whatever you know I'm saying and so, and there are different, they're different, varying levels of trust. Right, we talked about that. You kind of talked about that, josiah. So what are some things that are trust? Well, do any of you have anything to add to that what I just said?
Speaker 2:No, I mean, it's the same thing you trust. Well, you're supposed to have faith in God. So I think that's, if you have trust in somebody, you kind of have that faith in somebody.
Speaker 1:So what are trust breakers like? What are things that break trust?
Speaker 3:Lying these ones are kind, of you know this is hard. There are easy ones. Oh, I was gonna say, these ones are like pretty much out in the open, easy to figure it out, but hard to explain, in a sense.
Speaker 1:I think a blanket statement would be anything that goes against Any misrepresentation, right, any way that they misrepresent who they are or what they'll do, right.
Speaker 3:I think it's just anything that violates each other at any level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, because you know you cheat.
Speaker 1:That goes different, which would be a misrepresentation it like, for instance, if you're in a monogamous relationship, if somebody cheats on you Nogamous, then that is a breaking of what they said they would do and who they said they are.
Speaker 2:Or like yeah, yeah, like a marriage. You know, yeah, you know the vows right.
Speaker 1:Or if you go into business with somebody and you you trust that they're gonna do their part, like you have agreed that you're going to Pay certain amounts or do something somebody defaults, then that's a breaking of what they've said they would do and right you know of who they are right, Because they've said they are this breaking agreement essentially yeah, or yeah, breaking agreement, common ground, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1:So what I would say? So I mean, obviously it's varying levels of breaking and what so what happens like? Have you guys experienced that broken trust?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it'd be wrong to say no, yeah, yep, everybody has corks. Everybody has at one point in life, whether they want to believe it or not.
Speaker 1:So looking for examples. This, yeah, I just do. One of you have a situation in which you had trust that was broken, where the house was utterly demolished beyond repair and the relationship ended.
Speaker 2:With my ex roommate Won't name any names, but you know we had, we were fine and then Boundaries kept getting Invaded little by little to eventually the scenario of give them an inch, they'll take a mile type of mentality. And that's exactly what happened to eventually. You know, do you when I got to actually being physically dangerous?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:That would be mine. I have to be very vague, but yeah, other ones of just you know, you Little example. You know you tell somebody be like hey, don't, don't really tell me this, I'm telling you this out of confidence. And then you talk to somebody else within the group and they're like hey, heard this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, that happens to everybody so, like in the one instance of it was physically dangerous. You made a decision to say this house cannot be rebuilt. It can't something that cannot be rebuilt. It wouldn't be healthy for either party for me to partner with this person again or to Allow this house to be rebuilt or this trust to be restored. Yeah, you guys think there's times for that? Obviously you do, ben. Do you do? You think there's times for that, josiah, yeah?
Speaker 3:we're just completely tearing down things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where the wall. It's like this house is no longer.
Speaker 3:You know it's. It's when the relationship is no longer Just it's. It's no longer a two-way street, it's more become a One-way street, and that can be whether through code of pen and seeing other things like we've talked about on this channel before. I think it's time, you know, could have codependencies completely. It's kind of unrelated but it's related it's. It's An unhealthy in the relationship and that can be from just a mistrust Ever, either in yourself, your own confidence, or either in them too.
Speaker 3:And so it becomes a point, unhealthy, and so I think you know Relationships need that are completely need to be taken down. I think Are lesser than ones that just need to be. You need to move them back to the front room you know yeah you can't. It's no longer time for them to be over for dinner.
Speaker 1:You're saying there are fewer cases.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's fewer cases where you need to just completely tear down the relationship, because I think a lot of the time you know people, I think a lot of people jump to that, block them or or Completely cut them out of life, ghost them and it's like yeah, and it's no and it's like, I think, a lot of the time what was really meant to be just like a little bit.
Speaker 3:Hey, you're actually not gonna be blocked or ghosted. It's actually for you to move just back to the front room where we're just gonna keep you in there, cuz it's you don't need to be in this level of my life. Yeah level of my life is what I said, and so, if I've ever had, what were you gonna say though?
Speaker 1:No, I was gonna say I Agree with that. I think that the cases in which the the house cannot be rebuilt or the trust cannot be restored is when one party is unwilling. Like you said, that could either be the person who has done the damage is unwilling to the person who is done the damage, is unwilling to do the work of Building the trust, or they're unwilling to change their behaviors that are breaking down the house, or Another thing is is I have met a lot of people who have had situations of adultery and their families or whatever and those are rough ones to repair, if any you obviously don't tell them what to do.
Speaker 1:You know they can ask you for your advice. You want to really. You want them to hear from the Lord and you want to hear from the Lord yourself. But If they cannot trust like if they literally cannot forgive and trust, and they're gonna make that other person's life hell and that person does want to change. The other person, the offending party, who who broke down the house, does want to change, but they are just unable to forgive within, say, the relationship within the house together. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Then I'm always like pursue the forgiveness, pursue allowing your heart to trust again, maybe not that person, but to trust God and to trust other people again, because otherwise they're going to live in that house and they're gonna think that the house is rebuilt but they're gonna be exposed to the elements both of them and ultimately it's just gonna waste time and people are gonna be further damaged. Because if both parties are not willing and there's no timetable I think that is really important. A lot of people who are the offenders get angry with the hurt person because they won't move fast enough and it's not on your timetable. And then there are some people, like I said, who say they're going to forgive, but they really haven't, or they really haven't, they're not allowing that reconstruction and they say that they are, and then it's better to kind of move forward.
Speaker 1:Those are kind of my thoughts on yeah, I think there are times when the house is demolished and in that relationship it can't be rebuilt. I do believe it's important to allow the trust to be rebuilt with God. You should always. You know we believe in the Bible and the Bible talks about love, always trusts. There should always be a trust of the Lord. So get that back, no matter what, the trust of the Lord, and allow your heart to beat again and to be able to be in relationship again with others. Hey there, we just wanted to ask you, please could you like rate, subscribe and share, share, share the heck out of this podcast. We would really appreciate that and rate us. And, of course, if you have any comments, please comment. We would love to get feedback and interaction with you. Thanks so much for listening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard when you say trust with the Lord. Can you elaborate on that a little bit?
Speaker 1:Well, I just mean. You know people aren't perfect. God is imperfect. So sometimes we can definitely have a view that God has broken our trust. For instance, you know I've had times where I'm like God. You know how I've prayed for sick people. I'm like God. How could you let them die? Or I've been in terrible relationships and I've been like God. I was praying to you the whole time and you know why did you let this happen? But when I allow him to work on my heart, I see that he was always there, protecting me and for my good. He's incapable of being bad. He's incapable of harming us. He's incapable of doing untrustworthy things. He is always trustworthy. It's just our view when it comes to God. It's our view, but sometimes we have to admit that we feel not trust. Obviously, it's hard to trust God because we can't see him. Takes a lot of faith to trust God. It takes a lot of faith to believe that he is who he says he is and he's gonna do what he says he will do. Yeah, it takes so little.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I get what you're saying. I sat down in this chair thinking it was gonna support me, didn't think a thing of it and that's how we need to trust God and that's pretty much the effort and the amount of faith, but I don't know. Yeah, it's a weird thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So then, josiah, do you have examples of, or do you think have you had examples of, where you have had trust broken but then you've allowed it to be rebuilt, well, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've had one with a friend. This person I've talked about this person particularly before on the podcast, but pretty much it's just like lived with this guy was kind of kind of not really it wasn't great, but I'm not gonna say I was like the perfect, because I'm not, nor was I even during that time, but it was just like just the trust that was broken there from A, just missed payments and stuff like that for rent, and then all that responsibility falls onto me. And then B occupational wise, where when you recommend somebody for a job and then they completely, just pretty much flake in a way that's disrespectful to, yes, the manager, the person that I was close with at the job, so I actually gave him the position. And then B also for me, because my name was just getting stomped on, you know, while he was deciding just to completely disrespect me and the manager and so trust, like that was broken.
Speaker 3:And then after that their life obviously just goes down hill. After spending two years of trying to like be a good influence and stuff, and so after all that it still just goes downhill, it's like, okay, bro, and then so trust was broken there. Just because of all those different there's a lot more factors, but those ones are kind of some of the main ones but trust was pretty much completely broken and I just, you know, I was at the point where I was just like ghost him and, you know, get him out of the house.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, and so he's now back on the front door, and so I would let him back into the front room, but I don't know if he's gonna go past that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Can you tell me your process of allowing that trust to be rebuilt?
Speaker 3:There has to be an effort on both sides. Well, for me there wasn't really much effort to be given, because there's only so far. I'm gonna be going now. I know where I want him in my life you know, and it's not that it's not as close as he was before. And so, since I know where I want him, it's now him he has to meet that meet the essentially of the effort on how to get there.
Speaker 3:And so as of now, he's still kind of at the front door, because that's where he chooses to be. I have built myself up to where I'm like okay, you know, if he really cares enough, I'm willing to go this far, and that's it.
Speaker 1:So has he changed his behaviors at all?
Speaker 3:A little bit. Yeah, he's started to turn his life around. He's starting to look at the future a little bit more, that's good. He's still in bad patterns, like you know, being with somebody that he's not married to. If you don't know on this channel, we are Christians and so we don't want to. You obviously believe in marriage and then move into it with each other. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:And then, or marriage and then having sex and stuff and we will just aside by the reason why we believe that is because because we believe that God created certain things and has said hey, don't do this and do this because he loves us and he knows what's best for us and he does not want us to hurt.
Speaker 3:I also would like to say that there's a reason he put it in this book called the Bible and there's a whole book called Proverbs in the Bible book. So it's a chapter essentially of this book, or I guess it's a book and a book, and so the book of Proverbs is a bunch of wisdom. So read that and it's got a bunch of principles on how to just to live your life, and it's not literally just on the spiritual side of things, but also the practical stuff. And one of these is just.
Speaker 2:You know the sex is very tied into the spiritual.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're not talking about necessarily just that, but it's also just been like you know how to live your life in every aspect anyway, relationship kind of be built, kind of built in that way up to that point like with this friend, will it go any further? Most likely not mainly because of him.
Speaker 1:But I've gotten him to this place.
Speaker 3:I am willing. It's like having, let's say, you have a relatively like, just like somebody you know pretty well and he's at your front door. Are you going to let him in? Well, those who want to come in. So if he doesn't want to come in and he wants to stay at the door, that's okay. I'm not going to force him to come in the front into the house.
Speaker 3:And so it's not like that, and so it's like if this friend I don't know him very well, but I'm not going to let him into my bedroom or my kitchen because I don't know him that well, but I do know him well- enough to invite him in Not going to leave from this fridge, but now he's not going to. But he's not going to come in, so yeah, so kind of what.
Speaker 1:I hear you say some prongs of just checks for when trust in that house can be rebuilt is one you reevaluate the house and where that person should be Like. You look at the floor plan and think, hmm, is this person? Does this person, first of all, is that person willing to put in the effort to get back to the place that they were? Do I feel like that person belongs in the place that they were?
Speaker 3:Yeah, just ask probing questions man.
Speaker 1:And then, based on that, I decide okay, this is where I can trust you to be. So the house plans may change, you know.
Speaker 1:And that kind of a thing because of their decisions and your decisions and I think so, I think also some other prongs. If then you decide, okay, I am, yeah, we can trust this person Again, we can start building that trust, then that means there's some behavior change on their side, there's some forgiveness on your side, there's some self-awareness of you and your interaction of them, there's some awareness of what's going on with them. I think those are some pieces of allowing that trust to be rebuilt and then I think really good communication right Is a part of if you're going to allow trust to be rebuilt.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Are there any other things that you think are important?
Speaker 3:Relationship I mean everything in relationships is very variable, and so it's not gonna I'll be the same for every relationship. Every two combinations of people is gonna be different too, and so the fact of the matter is it's like one way that we might do things is not gonna be the same for you, for me. It was just I'm gonna. Am I at all? You got the first of all, when there's a breach of trust, is that you gotta look at yourself, and is there a breach of trust with you and yourself? Are you just? Are you the point of error?
Speaker 3:I guess I could say Cause? Like, if it is, then there needs to be something done for that Cause. You, the only person you can control is yourself, and so if it's not you and it is them, then you get to decide where things go from there with that other person. But even still, you can still do stuff on your side, like you can still figure out where this house needs to go, what needs to be torn down or what room he needs to be moved to, and so it's just all about figuring out within yourself where this person should go and the relationship status and, obviously, being clear in your communication with that person. That's the harder part is because when you're clear in communication, there's a vision that's being cast to that person, so you're knowing they know where they stand, which is how it should be. They should never be kept in the dark of where they stand, because that will leave for confusion and can even lead to more mistrust.
Speaker 3:And that could be a big withdrawal.
Speaker 2:That could just add to your problems.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you hear a lot of people in relationships nowadays. They nobody knows like I don't know why, ever, but nobody in my generation can talk In ways that actually communicates well, and it's so irritating because everybody's like I don't know why we've been talking for three. This isn't the dating relationship. But we, like, we've been talking for like four weeks. We've gone on a couple of days, but I'm not sure if he likes me, I'm like bro, can you?
Speaker 2:guys, just so if he doesn't like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3:So there's just obviously, it's like there's just no communication. Obviously there's just something broken down here and so if something were to happen, it's just going to blow up in their face because, there's been, no there's, there's this there's almost like a straw house built out of trust and there's nothing there's no substance there.
Speaker 2:So when a little drop of mistrust?
Speaker 3:comes, or maybe he just you know, he's like oh yeah, sorry I didn't meet you yesterday. I totally forgot. That little bit of trust is going to knock down the house, and so yeah, that, that one hurts.
Speaker 2:I've waited hours for people and I'm like I'm done, and then they tried to like. It was like sorry, this is where you're standing. I made it very clear.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:This is where. This is what we're at now.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Now, of course, that person being in a different role now in my life, then so you kind of have to rules with the ebbs and flows, but but we're in a better place now. But it's still, yeah, that one hurts so yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:Kind of to wrap everything up. Yeah, I just want to say one more thing Again.
Speaker 1:we talk about patterns a lot here. If you find yourself, whether you're like dating and you're constantly getting ghosted, or you're dating and you're I know that's part of some of the culture is this ghosting thing which I'm not very familiar with.
Speaker 2:you guys know more about that, but it's just when you don't reply to somebody's text to say if you texted me and I put you on red essentially and be like I'm not taking you.
Speaker 3:It's easy to do that in our generation.
Speaker 1:I just feel like that a lot of people. They think that they're like. I was talking to somebody recently and they were dating for three months and then all of a sudden, the person that they met online dating I mean they met families, hung out all the time and then all of a sudden you just go to their no more communication. I'm like, what is that about? But I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you find yourself in those situations constantly or you find trust, maybe you see a pattern. We talk about patterns.
Speaker 1:If you see yourself constantly in a situation in which the trust the house is being built is being torn down, it's really a chance. It really should be an opportunity for you to say, whoa, put the brakes on right now. Why does this keep happening? Is this a learned family behavior? Is this something spiritual happening? Is this you know me being codependent? Is this all the? You know all the things? Am I bringing people in too fast? Am I putting them too many levels of trust? You know, whatever it is, I just think if you see that happening in your life over and over again, I would just strongly encourage you to take a look and say, oh, what's happening here in my life?
Speaker 2:Yeah, trust your gut too. Yeah, you've got 95% right, that's right so it's your intuition, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep, totally. Anything else you guys want to say about trust?
Speaker 3:Make sure you're making those making sure you're making those deposits, not withdrawing from the reservoir. Trust between people, because you know your relationships are important and trust is the currency of them. So make sure you're building trust and not clapping trust.
Speaker 2:Hey, you can get up.
Speaker 3:No, I'm just kidding, just kidding guys, but dude, straight up. Anyway, ghost culture is dumb, don't do it.
Speaker 2:Anyway, that's my closing remarks. You get no role, that's right.
Speaker 1:All right, Ben, where can they find us if they want to find us online?
Speaker 2:Where can they find us? It's been a minute, Josiah. Do we have Instagram?
Speaker 3:No, I don't think we have anything, you can just text us at myfellowhumans at gmailcom. Gotcha no spaces.
Speaker 2:Myfellowhumans at gmailcom.
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